Is it time for a new condition?

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Is it time for a new condition?

Post by Wufei » Wed May 07, 2008 5:34 pm

I see an ever increasing number of heroes that want invisibility, and Caliga already has Etherealness. Why not make a condition named Fade, which has the singular effect to... I haven't decided, either turn invisible, or make Ethereal... maybe both?

If both, it should break on attack (and still allow attacks when Ethereal, but breaking Etherealness)... but then again it seems rigged because Etherealness = Invincibility to melee, and if one is invisible at the same time... well... it's basically a guarunteed escape. Maybe it would remove the hero dot from the minimap (or turn it into a creep dot) and fade the user 100%? I dunno, I'm fiddling with this. If a condition is completely out of the question due to the current # of conditions, well, I'm sorry :(

Oh, and sorry for posting it in the wrong thread, I had a brainfart.
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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by assassingao » Wed May 07, 2008 5:38 pm

Condition doesn't affect allies, you know.

And not that much heroes used invisibility anyway.

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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by Rising_Dusk » Wed May 07, 2008 5:53 pm

Wufei wrote:Is it time for a new condition?
Without reading anything posted in this thread, I can safely say no.
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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by Oxygen » Wed May 07, 2008 9:53 pm

Rising_Dusk wrote:
Wufei wrote:Is it time for a new condition?
Without reading anything posted in this thread, I can safely say no.
Invisibility is a positive condition, and so is ethereal ( at least, 95% of the time ) and so I thought conditions were only negative

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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by Rising_Dusk » Wed May 07, 2008 10:40 pm

Well, after actually reading the thread, everything said so far is true. Conditions are all negative no matter what, that's part of the design. I also can't think of any other effect that I'd like to add without convoluting the idea of conditions. 7 is already a bit tight, excluding stun/knockdown, anymore might develop the map away from a tight and interactive design. (That's bad)
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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by Deschain » Thu May 08, 2008 12:55 pm

Invisibility and ethereal are more like states. Not sure about Stun though it behaves as a condition and as a state as well.
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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by Rising_Dusk » Thu May 08, 2008 2:04 pm

Except stun is negative, whereas invisibility and ethereal are positive.
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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by AnemicRoyalty » Thu May 08, 2008 6:46 pm

frankly, the current conditions have everything pretty much covered. Freeze? cripple or stun. Poison? burn or bleed. Anything fancier than that should be done with abilities or not at all. Only opening i see for a new condition would be something like a magical Ruin that increases damage taken from spells.

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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by TargetPractice » Thu May 08, 2008 7:10 pm

Wufei wrote:I see an ever increasing number of heroes that want invisibility, and Caliga already has Etherealness. Why not make a condition named Fade, which has the singular effect to... I haven't decided, either turn invisible, or make Ethereal... maybe both?

If both, it should break on attack (and still allow attacks when Ethereal, but breaking Etherealness)... but then again it seems rigged because Etherealness = Invincibility to melee, and if one is invisible at the same time... well... it's basically a guarunteed escape. Maybe it would remove the hero dot from the minimap (or turn it into a creep dot) and fade the user 100%? I dunno, I'm fiddling with this. If a condition is completely out of the question due to the current # of conditions, well, I'm sorry :(

Oh, and sorry for posting it in the wrong thread, I had a brainfart.
Well gee...no?

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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by pandamanar » Thu May 08, 2008 7:32 pm

Exhaustion : Lowers mana regeneration by X and spells cooldown X% slower

or

Exhaustion : Lowers mana regeneration by X and takes X% more damage from spells

I really don't think DoE needs more conditions... but w/e :D
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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by Rising_Dusk » Thu May 08, 2008 9:33 pm

Actually, I could make ruin work on spell damage as well (That's the most intellectual solution), but God knows people would cry imba.
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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by Rectifier » Fri May 09, 2008 12:22 am

Hell yes we would.

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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by VZManticoran » Sun May 11, 2008 2:45 pm

Wait, Dusk, you can make people take more damage from spells? I thought you had said that negative spell resistance isn't possible?
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Re: Is it time for a new condition?

Post by Phox » Sun May 11, 2008 2:49 pm

There's an alternate form of Anti-Magic Shield that makes a buff that reduces damage from spells. You can set that to negative. I'm not sure if that's what Dusk is using, though.

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