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Rising_Dusk wrote:Why can't it just be -2/-4/-6/-8/-10 and stack with ruin at all levels?

Because -20 armor is huge. I can't possibly believe you find -20 armor balanced at any rate.

I find your lack of faith... Disturbing.

It wouldnt be terrible and its not like its a permanent - armor... besides they could always stack armor XD
i personally love getting glass with +24 armor

Rising_Dusk wrote:I find your lack of faith... Disturbing.

Me too. Your talking to the guy who balanced Sozen's mana drain for his ult with a random number off the top of his head.

What you could call luck, but I wouldn't. Dusk is a brilliant mapmaker, and I always put faith in him, I wouldn't be here otherwise, but I find -20 armor imbalancedly huge, and can't think of a way where it could be accepted, without nerfing the duration to 2 or 3 seconds, which would limit the usage of the spell alot.

True -20 would hurt but honestly it would require the enemy to be against both Canus and some other hero on Order that can cause ruin. Then depending on durations and how much time passed between getting each, the length of the -20 would probably be fairly low. Added to the fact that he really doesn't have much damage dealing, (Darkwake and Penumbra and Darkwake is low and hard to aim) I don't think it would be too hard to tweak numbers for balance.

What you could call luck, but I wouldn't. Dusk is a brilliant mapmaker, and I always put faith in him, I wouldn't be here otherwise, but I find -20 armor imbalancedly huge, and can't think of a way where it could be accepted, without nerfing the duration to 2 or 3 seconds, which would limit the usage of the spell alot.

Or make it wear off slowly over time, something you neglected entirely. Just shush about balance, I know what I'm doing and short of a typo in the code (Maltheron...) he won't be imbalanced.

Rising_Dusk wrote:I find your lack of faith... Disturbing.

Look...it'll work out in the testing phases...
Darth Dusk will use the force and make the wc3 engine accept the code, make people like the game, have everyone play it as a daily part of life...OR DIE.

Thats kinda what I said, but with death.

DoE as a part of everyone's every day life...interesting.

TheIrishPatriot wrote:DoE as a part of everyone's every day life...interesting.

And totally boring. Who would I flame because playing DotA then?

-10 armor should be a maximum debuff. If you leave the limits you've given yourself with conditions, dusk, then this'll soon become like dota!!

EDITlol: No really though, you should definitely stay within the limits. Rendabi will now give ruin to pretty much anybody ( subject to change amirite ) and so, I don't know, having everyone with -10'd be weird

We'll see, I may end up changing that skill entirely anyways.

It better be changed, we've got bad enough problems trying to avoid death by Vela's bonecage. -20 armor is a death sentence.

Wufei wrote:It better be changed

I'm tempted to not change it just because you have the audacity to tell me what better be done to my map. I'll take suggestions, but I do not take demands.